Interview with a Social Insect Scientist: Gema Trigos-Peral

Gema works at the Department of Social and Myrmecophilous Insects in Warsaw, Poland, Her current research article concerning task syndrome in ant workers and the connection between behavioral traits and task allocation can be found here.

IS: Who are you, and what do you do?

Gema: I am an assistant professor at the Department of social and myrmecophilous insects from the Museum and Institute of Zoology (Polish Academy of Sciences). I work with ants, and my main research topic is focused on the impact of anthropogenic changes in the habitat on the ant communities and functional traits. Since my PhD studies (at the University of Cordoba, Spain), I have been very interested in the impact of urbanization on ants; so I made it my main research topic. Besides, I am involved in forests research (mainly red wood ants) and other topics including behaviour, vibroacoustics and, more recently, the interaction between the entomopathogenic fungus Rickia wasmannii and Myrmica sp. Also, I am passionate about ant taxonomy and, although it is not my research topic, it has been a very important tool in all my studies, and it has also helped me to collaborate in diverse projects.

Gema and her dog Rila

IS: How did you develop an interest in your research?

Gema: It was during my PhD when I started to learn about urbanization and its impact on ants. I realised that, although it is not a very novel topic, there is still a lot to learn about; so, I kept learning, questioning and searching for answers. Although there were many things to investigate, there is something clear in this topic: Urbanization is an unstoppable phenomenon that is causing drastic changes at all levels. But I also found that similar trends and stress factors can be found in all other anthropized habitats, and that’s the key! We live in a stressed world, causing climate change, habitat loss, biodiversity loss, pollution… and I would really like to contribute to improve the situation. Thus, I believe that a better understanding of the impact of urbanization can strongly help to find (or at least get closer) to a solution for this environmental crisis. I have so many questions that I would really like to answer…

IS: What is your favorite social insect, and why?

Gema: Ants, no doubt. I think that they are amazing in all aspects. Doesn’t matter if you check their taxonomical diversity, their social organization, their impressive capacity for learning or their behavioural and physiological adaptations… We are always fascinated to see how big mammals (e.g. primates) and humans share some traits (like the tool use), but these traits are generally unnoticed when it comes to small animals like ants. It is simply impressive how much you can learn from such a small organism. Besides, ants are addictive! The more you learn about them, the more you want to keep learning.

IS: What is the best moment/discovery in your research so far? What made it so memorable?

Gema: It’s not an easy question but I really like this one: A few years ago, it was cold and dark when I was arriving home in Warsaw. In my neighbourhood, the heating system of the buildings are coming from a common boiler and the heat is distributed through pipes. Behind my parking spot, there is a sewer drain cover that keeps warm because of the heating system. So, although it was cold, some ants from a Lasius niger nest near the sewer were active whereas the other nests far from the warm spot were inactive. So, I started to think about the urban warming, and I started to apply for grants to study the urban heat island effect. This initial observation has already resulted in two successful grant applications, enabling me to conduct a comprehensive, large-scale study that involves international collaborations.

IS: Do you teach or do outreach/science communication? How do you incorporate your research into these areas?

Gema: Unfortunately, I rarely do it. I work in a research institute, so lectures are limited to the doctoral school or if you are invited in a university, an event… Although it is very rare that we are invited, sometimes it happens. Then, I usually like to give some general information about ants. After introducing ants, I like to show something about the research that we are carrying out in our laboratory, the purpose of these studies, how they contribute to advances in science and how we can use this information, for example, for species protection and habitat conservation. I have the impression that many people perceive science as something distant or disconnected from their daily lives. It is crucial for them to understand that our research has practical applications and direct effects on society. For instance, conservation ecology seeks to create a thriving environment that significantly enhances both the overall health of the ecosystem and the quality of life for humans.

IS: What do you think are some of the important current questions in social insect research, and what’s essential for future research?

Gema: It is actually a difficult question…I have realised that the most important questions in research vary among countries, scientific societies or even research groups. However, I personally think that there is not a specific important question because, from my point of view, everything is interconnected and each research is a piece of the big puzzle of nature. But if I must choose one, then I will come back to my topic: the impact of anthropization. We still don’t know how it really works in terms of species adaptations, long term impact, the indirect impact of interspecific interactions, etc… I think that it is essential for future research because without understanding what is happening, we can’t find a solution. And, well, we need a solution. Either if you like the topic or not, we all need a solution for the current environmental crisis if we want to enjoy a good quality and healthy life (for us or for future generations).

IS: What research questions generate the biggest debate in social insect research at the moment?

Gema: I have no idea. I think that there is a big debate in each research, so I will talk about my main topic. I think that the biggest debate relies on how species will get to survive: adaptation or phenotypic plasticity? However, I would also like to assess the indirect impact through the network of interactions among species, among many other things… Uff, I have so many questions that I would really like to answer… 

IS: What is the last book you read? Would you recommend it? Why or why not?

Gema: I like to read books of different topics, I have not a favourite style. Right now, I am reading a book from 1973, “Protection of Man’s natural environment” (initiated by Prof. Władysław Szafer and prepared for publication by Włodzimierz Michajłow), but I just started. So, I will talk about a book that I enjoyed a lot “Sabias: La cara occulta de la ciencia”, a book written by Adela Muñoz Páez. My husband bought this book for me after listening to a talk that she gave at his working place. She is a scientist, so she has firsthand knowledge of the challenges faced by both the scientific community and women within it. As you read the book, you journey through the centuries, learning about the roles of women in different civilizations and in the field of science, beginning with Enheduanna (2300-2225 BCE). The book is incredibly engaging and full of intriguing information. It is written in a catching and comfortable way. So, I definitely recommend it. The only issue, I think that it is only available in Spanish.

IS: Outside of science, what are your favorite activities, hobbies, or sports?

Gema: My favourite and more personal healing activity is to have a walk in the field with my dog (if my husband joins us, even better). I love dogs, both to teach them and learn from them is a wonderful experience. Travelling, that’s something that I also love and my long term plan with my husband would be to visit as many different countries as possible (the whole world would be perfect, although it isprobably a not too realistic plan). Although I can’t do it as much as I would like to, I enjoy practising some water sports (like swimming or windsurfing) and in recent years have practised some martial arts. I am quite a beginner in these sports, but I really enjoy them and they help me to disconnect from work.

IS: How do you keep going when things get tough?

Gema: Very good question… I really don’t have an answer for that. Sometimes it becomes really hard. Research is a very beautiful work, but also hard and the system needs some changes. Unfortunately, this is not just my reality, but the reality of many researchers. So basically, I think that you just keep going, trying your best and keeping the hope that maybe in the future the situation will improve. And, of course, it really helps that there is always some researcher willing to help you and support your research. But, undoubtedly, the support of your family and your friends is essential to overcome hard times in science.

Camponotus ants

IS: If you were to go live on an uninhabited island and could only bring three things, what would you bring? Why?

Gema: Very simple answer, but I would like to bring my family pack including my husband and my dog. So, 1- my husband and my dog; I think that we finally deserve to enjoy a long time together and being with them makes me happy. 2 – a tool kit (with knives, pliers, hammer…); obviously, I will need to build something where to live and get food; 3 – a fully equipped stereo microscope; probably there will be not too many ants ion n an island, but it might happen that some species might have arrived somehow… I don’t want to miss anything.

IS: Who do you think has had the most considerable influence on your science career?

Gema: Well, many people played a part, but if I must choose then I will choose two persons: Prof. Joaquín L. Reyes López and Prof. Wojciech Czechowski. I have my PhD thanks to Prof. Reyes López. He is the one who infected me with the passion for ants, and the one who supported me when nobody thought that I could get a PhD. My career has been a bit different because I didn’t jump into the PhD after I finished Biology, instead I tried different jobs before I decided that what I really wanted to do was science. But not too many people are willing to support a person without a grant and whose only option is to do a PhD while working full time in a company. But Joaquin was there, he decided to be my supervisor and teach me at lunch time, weekends… still now I keep learning from him. After that, Prof. Czechowski helped me. I arrived to Poland for personal reasons and I decided to contact with his department. I was so lucky… because he is also a person who is always willing to help and so he gave me an opportunity… and here I am, still working in this department, learning from him and working together.

IS: What advice would you give to someone hoping to be a social insect researcher in the future?

Gema: Hard to say… It is really difficult to be a researcher nowadays. But if I have to give some advice, then I would definitely advice to choose a good and productive laboratory with funds for research. It will lead you to have a good number of high-quality publications, which will open many doors. Unfortunately, working hard is not enough… Doing the complete research and publishing in a good journal is costly, and not every lab can afford it. Also, a good lab will facilitate you a valuable research network. But it is also important to consider whether you fit in that lab. After all, you will have to spend almost 70% of your life with these people during the few next years. If you don´t fit, it will be really hard to keep going.

IS: Has learning from a mistake ever led you to success?

Gema: well, I think that this is a very common situation. I don´t know how many times I made a mistake, but for sure I did it many times. The thing is that you always learn something from these mistakes, sometimes for good (you get something worthy and new) and sometimes for bad (you learn that it is better not to do it again).

IS: What is your favorite place science has taken you?

Gema: It wasn´t directly science, but I went there with my salary working on science. I went to Sri Lanka and I fell in love with the country, the people, the landscapes… Sitting in the patio and see the flying foxes passing above you, having a walk in the village and see all sort of animals on the way, the amazing and numerous ant species, huge termite nests, the turtles, the leopards sitting in front of the car! Funny but shocking situations like a guy throwing a stick in a lake and see dozens of crocodiles moving there just to show us that the place was full of them (I thought that we would get back to the village without that guy…), Adam´s peak and little Adam´s peak, the people… There are no words to describe the experience.

Interview with a Social Insect Scientist: Riley Shultz

Riley works in the Department of Entomology at Purdue University and is interested in honey bee health. Her recent research published in Insectes Sociaux can be viewed here.

IS: Who are you, and what do you do?

I am a PhD student researcher in the Department of Entomology at Purdue University. I work in the Harpur Lab investigating honey bee health with a focus on honey bee drones. The Harpur lab strives to bridge the gaps in our knowledge about genomics, the evolution of eusocial species, and their adaptive traits. My specific research interests include mutation and molecular mechanisms of repair.

A frame of drone bees with nurse bees tending to the newly emerging adults.

IS: How did you develop an interest in your research?

I have always had a fascination with honey bees and medicine. When I was in high school my dad brought home a nuc of bees and invited me to join in the hobby with him. Spending summers doing mite washes, observing colony behaviors, and of course harvesting honey sparked my fascination with social insects. I ended up joining a bee lab during my undergraduate at Washington State University and developed further research interests in honey bee health. Now during my MS and PhD at Purdue University I am able to foster my interests in mutation using the unique haplodiploid honey bee.

Riley’s dad checking hobby beehives in 2018.

IS: What is your favorite social insect, and why?

Honey bees from day one have captured my full attention. There are so many unique behaviors in these eusocial insects that make them a fascinating study subject. While my research interests lie more on the pathways within the insect itself, the colony structure of honey bees make them highly complex.

IS: What is the best moment/discovery in your research so far? What made it so memorable?

This past summer I worked with a mutant honey bee colony, where drones in the colony had either white or dark eyes. We ran a series of experiments to learn more about the sight deterioration in the white-eyed males. While we presumed that the white eye drones would go blind at some point, it was really exciting to perform some simple tests on this. I spent hours outside a colony observing drones leaving and returning to the colony. This was memorable partly due to the sheer amount of time I spent observing the mutants’ behaviors, but it was also fun to observe bee behaviors more generally.

IS: Do you teach or do outreach/science communication? How do you incorporate your research into these areas?

The Harpur lab works to spend a lot of time doing various outreach activities. I really enjoy connecting with the local community to talk about honey bees and pollinators more generally. I’ve done outreach with the local library as well as with scout troops in the area. My favorite moment is always when young children overcome their fear of an insect. It is a fun puzzle to teach children about honey bee genetics, and we all look forward to helping children ‘build-a-bee’ as a simple way to learn about the inner workings of a colony.

Honey bees swarming to find a new location to establish a colony. Honey bees were collected from the fruit tree and put in a new hive.

IS: What do you think are some of the important current questions in social insect research, and what’s essential for future research?

Insects play an integral role in human lives. They provide a powerful model for medical research, pollination to our agricultural systems, vital roles in our ecosystems, and so much more. I think we still lack fundamental knowledge on many social insect systems and discoveries within these systems will be key to innovative studies. Conducting comprehensive studies on the genotypes and associated phenotypes is crucial as it lays the essential groundwork for future practical research endeavors.

IS: Outside of science, what are your favorite activities, hobbies, or sports?

I am an avid reader of fiction. When I’m not pouring over journal articles, you’ll find my nose in a book. Reading is a really nice way to escape and embrace your creative side. I enjoy hiking and kayaking. Spending summers on Idaho’s whitewater was the perfect way to cool off after beekeeping.

IS: What is the last book you read? Would you recommend it? Why or why not?

The book I am currently reading for my insect genomics course is “A Primer of Population Genetics and Genomics” by Daniel L Hartl. This book has helped further my understanding of population genetics for someone whose background is more molecular biology. For my personal enjoyment, I recently read “Six of Crows” by Leigh Bardugo. I am a huge fan of books that describe things outside of our reality. While this book is more realistic than some, I really enjoyed how well-developed the character’s backstories were. There is a real art to developing a story where the reader can get inside the character’s head and understand the forces that drive them.

IS: How do you keep going when things get tough?

I am fortunate to have a supportive family and partner, as well as friends and colleagues. The going may get tough in the winter time for someone researching bees, but holding out till the next summer is well worth the wait.

Riley’s co-workers and her harvesting honey and collecting drones in 2023.

IS: If you were to go live on an uninhabited island and could only bring three things, what would you bring? Why?

I would bring a really large book, some sunscreen, and some semipermeable membranes to filter seawater. I am well known as the coworker who advises sunscreen even when wearing a bee suit as well as the one who carries around a comically large water bottle.

IS: Who do you think has had the most considerable influence on your science career?

This is a hard question to answer. My first research experience as an undergraduate was not very rewarding. I switched my path to work in an entomology lab and was met with immense support from my co-advisors Dr. Nicholas Naeger and Dr. Jennifer Han. I found a renewed passion for research and was able to grow my interest in honey bees with an independent project under their advisory. I attribute my current career trajectory to the experiences created by these mentors. I would also name my current advisor Dr. Brock Harpur for his enthusiasm in studying social insects as well as his continued support for all of the students in his lab. He has helped me to refine my skills in designing robust experiments as well as writing grants.

IS: What advice would you give to someone hoping to be a social insect researcher in the future?

My advice would be to pursue your passion and not stress over the small things. Working with social insects can be labor intensive as well as unreliable. I cannot count the number of rainy days in the summer that have added new challenges to working with honey bees. I think learning to adapt to these new challenges and to frame your mindset as each stress being a little ‘puzzle’ will help in the long term.

IS: Has learning from a mistake ever led you to success?

Absolutely. I have made many mistakes in my short career, but those are the moments that allow me to remember and adapt. When something works the very first time I do it, it’s often forgettable. If something went wrong, I was bound to learn from that experience as well as gain new skills along the way.

IS: What is your favorite place science has taken you?

I haven’t had too much need for travel in my career at this point, but my favorite place thus far is probably traveling to the Plant and Animal Genome conference in San Diego. There I was not only able to attend a wonderful conference and do a bit of sightseeing, but I was also able to connect with my advisor’s colleagues. I always look forward to making connections with people who share the same interests in insects!