Interview with a social insect scientist: Stefano Cavallo

Stefano is a biologist specializing in animal behavior and currently works as a research fellow in behavioral ecology at the University of Florence. In this interview, he recalls moment he realized that even ants show individual personalities. His lastest research in Insectes Sociaux can be read here.

IS: Who are you, and what do you do?

I’m Stefano Cavallo, a passionate biologist specialized in animal behaviour. I’m living in Pisa and currently work at the University of Florence as a research fellow in behavioural ecology. My interests range from communication and cognitive aspects of animal behaviour in invertebrates and beyond. At the moment, my project focuses on exploring phenotypic plasticity—particularly behavioural plasticity—in marine decapods.

IS: How did you develop an interest in your research?

Since I was a child, I’ve always been passionate about animals. Although I grew up in a city, I had the chance to keep and observe a variety of species—fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds, mammals, and of course, insects. Among them, social insects, and especially ants, have always fascinated me. Their remarkable social organization combined with apparent simplicity sparked both curiosity and deep biological admiration in me. As my studies in biology progressed, I developed a strong interest in behavioral biology. What I find most stimulating is the possibility of identifying similar behavioral patterns in evolutionarily distant species, both human and non-human.

IS: What is your favorite social insect, and why?

It’s hard to choose just one. I’m fascinated by social insects for very different reasons: for instance, the interspecific relationships of Atta ants, the communicative flight and cognitive abilities of Apis mellifera, and the complex social structure of Polistes dominula all capture my interest. What I find most stimulating is not a single species, but rather those organisms capable of challenging the “dogmas” of biology. For example, the recent discovery by Juvé et al. (2025) on Messor ibericus which destroy species definitions.

IS: What is the best moment/discovery in your research so far? What made it so memorable?

One of the best moments in my research was when I first realized that even ants—creatures we often think of as identical and mechanical—show individual personalities. That realization was unforgettable: it felt like discovering a hidden layer of complexity within a familiar world. From that moment on, I stopped seeing colonies as uniform units and started seeing them as societies of individuals.

IS: Do you teach or do outreach/science communication? How do you incorporate your research into these areas?

No, at the moment I don’t deal with these aspects but in the future I hope it can become part of my job as a scientist. I think it is important to disseminate scientific advances to a wide audience and shorten the distances between laboratories, research and the general public.

IS: What do you think are some of the important current questions in social insect research, and what is essential for future research?

As we know, the environment today is subject to strong anthropogenic pressures and global warming is shaping habitats very quickly. The effects on social insects are still poorly understood. I believe it is essential to focus on these aspects and understand how changing conditions act on the biology and behavior of social insects.

IS: Outside of science, what are your favorite activities, hobbies, or sports?

I love being in nature, trekking in the mountains, climbing, swimming and snorkelling

IS: What is the last book you read? Would you recommend it? Why or why not?

The last book I read was Entangled Life: How Fungi Make Our Worlds, Change Our Minds and Shape Our Futures by Merlin Sheldrake. I would definitely recommend it—it’s a fascinating and beautifully written synthesis of what we know about fungi. These organisms are extraordinary in the way they challenge traditional paradigms of biology and reveal how deeply interconnected life really is.

IS: How do you keep going when things get tough?

I practice tai-chi and mindfulness techniques to stay in the present moment and focus on beautiful things.

IS: If you were to go live on an uninhabited island and could only bring three things, what would you bring? Why?

I would bring a knife, a tinderbox and a book on edible plants. These three things would help me get food, be able to cook and warm up and not die of intoxication haha!

IS: Who do you think has had the most considerable influence on your science career?

I believe that the most important role was played by two high school teachers. My chemistry professor and biology professor taught me scientific rigor and wonder at the living world

IS: What advice would you give to someone hoping to be a social insect researcher in the future?

If I had to advise someone to hop to be a social insect researcher, I would tell them to follow the thirst for knowledge and not stop at appearances. I would ask him to always look with a critical eye at those who claim to have absolute certainties in biology.

IS: Has learning from a mistake ever led you to success?

I couldn’t point to a specific mistake, but I believe that in private life and at work we often learn by falling and making mistakes. Trying by trial and error: this is generally just how we manage to grow.

IS: What is your favorite place science has taken you?

My favourite place where science took me is Paris, in the experimental and comparative ethology laboratory of the Sorbonne University in northern Paris. I was lucky enough to work in the group led by Professor Patrizia d’Ettore who with dedicated passion dedicates herself to research in the myrmecological field.

Interview with a social insect scientist: Tomer Czaczkes

Tommy is a researcher at the University of Regensburg, where he leads the ACElab since 2016. He study value perception and decision-making in invertebrates (mostly ants). His latest work in Insectes Sociaux can be found here.

IS: Who are you, and what do you do?

My name is Tomer (Tommy, please) Czaczkes, and I study the behaviour of mostly ants, sometimes bees, and very occasionally other arthropods. My current focus is on comparative psychology – understanding how animals think, learn, and make decisions. I’m trying to apply our hard-earned knowledge of behavioural ecology to controlling invasive ants. I also dabble in collective behaviour.

Tommy Czaczkes thinking about Lasius fuliginosus.

IS: How did you develop an interest in your research?

Ah, well. During my undergraduate the average grades for different modules were available, and I noted that while cell biology and microbiology had pretty low average grades, behaviour and ecology had quite high ones. I know which side of the bread is buttered, and, honestly, I never expected to stay in research. Then, during my undergraduate project, I realized that while the miserable vertebrate ecology people would have to trek for hours through the forest to sight their animal, I, as an experimental behavioural ecologist working on ants, could collect 50 datapoints in half a day, while drinking rum.

IS: What is your favorite social insect, and why?

Oooh, a tough question! I’m torn between two ant species: Lasius niger and Pheidole oxyops. L. niger is perhaps the most common ant in Europe, and as my PhD supervisor Francis Ratnieks always says “it’s the common animals that are most interesting. They’re clearly doing something right.”. L. niger are extremely smart, polite, helpful, and make excellent colleagues. P. oxyops, however, do wonderful cooperative transport – the collective carrying of loads. They have an amazing, explosive recruitment behaviour, and love cheese. They’re also extremely common, but alas, in Brazil and not in Germany, where I’m based.

Pheidole oxyops carrying a 10x10mm square of choose by the corners (published in Insectes Sociaux).

IS: What is the best moment/discovery in your research so far? What made it so memorable?

Seeing ants being visibly disappointed when they received food which was poorer than what they were expecting – poor things! It was clear from the moment I did the first pilot on that project that we would have a clear and strong effect. It was memorable because it was simply so easy to relate to: the disappointed ants would check the food, break away, try again to make sure, and circle around looking for the good stuff they were sure was there before. It was simply so cute and relatable.

IS: Do you teach or do outreach/science communication? How do you incorporate your research into these areas?

I enjoy going into schools and kindergartens, to talk to kids about ants and insects in general. It’s always fun to bring an ant colony or two, and show the “mama ant” and her babies. For the bigger kids, it’s fun to do a pheromone following assay – makes me feel like an ant whisperer, who can use my super science powers to talk to insects.

IS: What do you think are some of the important current questions in social insect research, and what is essential for future research?

This is showing my own biases here, but I think the question of insect sentience and intelligence is a huge question, and social insects are central to the experimental examination of these topics. We’ve had a slew of high impact work reporting all sorts of impressive cognitive abilities, with a big swing from behaviourism to cognition. I expect that very soon the swing will move the other way again, with people starting to push for simpler explanations, or attempting replication studies. Animal behaviour as a subject is overdue a big replication study, the likes of which shook up the worlds of experimental psychology and cancer research (amongst others) recently. I have attempted to replicate some of my own work, with some things replicating wonderfully, and others simply not there next time I looked. And yes, I publish the failed replications too.

Lasius niger worker who is very satisfied with her drop of sucrose solution.

IS: Outside of science, what are your favorite activities, hobbies, or sports?

I really enjoy hiking in the mountains, when I can get out. When not, I’m a big fan of sci-fi books and computer games. My mind is still somewhat blown by my VR set.

IS: What is the last book you read? Would you recommend it? Why or why not?

I’m almost through “Delusions of Gender” by Cordelia Fine. The book speaks against the supposed ‘evidence’ for a simplistic biological basis for gender roles. Would I recommend it? It’s convincing and helpful, but sometimes feels like being bludgeoned with an endless series of (reasonable) criticisms of studies. It’s well researched and useful, but perhaps not the page turner it could have been.

IS: How do you keep going when things get tough?

Give up! No, really. On days where I can’t focus, I simply stop working. If an experiment runs into wall after wall, I’ll drop it. But for things like rejections, failures, etc – I take the long view, and remind myself that this is normal, and this too shall pass. Oh, and moaning. Moaning helps.

IS: If you were to go live on an uninhabited island and could only bring three things, what would you bring? Why?

Assuming my basic survival needs were met? My ebook stuffed with books (for entertainment), a solar charger to charge it, and a Swiss army knife to bootstrap other tools from. I think I’ve played too much Minecraft.

IS: Who do you think has had the most considerable influence on your science career?

Certainly my Doctoral supervisor, Prof. Francis Ratnieks. He has an absolutely excellent eye for interesting biology. Moreover, I admire (and have tried to emulate) his quick, cheap, and cheerful approach to research projects – avoiding the huge, long term, ultra-high tech projects, and preferring short, fun, and simple projects which require only some ants, a few strips of paper, and some drops of sucrose. And a good idea, of course.

In this experiment, Tommy’s team was testing whether ants prefer food they have worked harder for (they do). A good example of their experimental designs. Note the Lego, paper runways, and complete lack of high tech gubbins.

IS: What advice would you give to someone hoping to be a social insect researcher in the future?

Read “The Ants” by Hölldobler and Wilson. Yes, it’s almost 35 years old, but it’s a wonderful primer to most of the major topics in social insect biology. I read it cover to cover to prepare for my PhD, and that knowledge has stood me in good stead since then.

IS: Has learning from a mistake ever led you to success?

Not nearly as much as I would have hoped. I seem doomed to making the same mistakes over and over again. However, at least by now I recognise them with absolute clarity in hindsight.

IS: What is your favorite place science has taken you?

The La Selva biological field station in Costa Rica, where I did my Bachelors project (on leaf cutter ants). Being surrounded by researchers for the first time, in a beautiful jungle, with amazing animals, was life changing. I also met my future wife there, so that was a nice bonus.